So getting back to the Kwamis and Tiki and Plagg in particular...
What do you think it means that Kwamis have genders? I don't think that's in physiological terms, just in terms of their personalities. Like, I don't think Kwamis pair-bond for purposes of reproduction or anything like that.
But Kwamis being magical in nature, it occurs to me that there might be some magical attractive force that tends to make them (even while bonded to their miraculous) gravitate towards the "right" owner, though that's by no means any kind of absolute rule, since we know that the "wrong" (unworthy) owner may possess a miraculous as well.
This is an opinion (or open-onion) poll, so there's no right answer.
Q: Which do you think is better animated, or maybe... more believably animated. Those might not be the same things. INCREDIBLES or MIRACULOUS? And what I'm trying to get at here, apart from the writing... part of what you feel for the characters is not just in the character development or story, but it comes through the animation, the feeling or emotion conveyed by it. And one show might have the better Action Animation, or Comedy Animation. But here I guess what I'm thinking of is Character Animation... the body language and facial expressions that help you believe the characters are real on some level, help you connect with them and feel for them. Part of that is good voice acting too, but I guess you have to try to mentally separate those things.
I remember watching the first INCREDIBLES, and... after having seen some clips and trailers, and the character designs and whatnot, going to see it. And I came out of the theater sort of feeling... flat. Like it wasn't what I was expecting at all. The character designs had led me to believe that this should turn out to be a very funny action-comedy. But in my opinion there really wasn't much comedy at all (or at best, most of it came from the baby). The plot was a little too straightforward comic-book, and not enough satire or gentle parody or something.
Now having seen the character designs of MIRACULOUS beforehand, I wasn't expecting that much comedy at all. Of course it's a kids' show, and I don't expect it to be too dark and dramatic (but hey, that never stopped STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS, so whatever...) either, so I have to expect SOME comedy, and generally it's pretty well-balanced. Season 2 was a little too heavy on the comedy side in the first half, or at least it seemed more so than in Season 1.
Okay, I relent and admit that Johnny Storm and Susan Storm Richards of the FANTASTIC FOUR are actual, bona-fide and for-real, raised together by their parents, brother and sister. And in what is just the most amazing crazy concept for comic books, Sue is actually married to Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic himself) and they even have TWO kids, another real brother and sister, Franklin and Valeria.
And of course there are THE INCREDIBLES, but that's just a ripoff... I mean, a loving HOMAGE to the Fantastic Four.
Did I hear someone say, "But what about the WONDER TWINS, Zan and Jayna?" Or Space Ghost's young wards, Jan and Jayce? Or is it Zan and Jayce, and Jan and Jayna? Xeroxed at birth? Something fishy going on there at Hanna-Barbera. Give yourself extra points if you remember whose pet is Blip, and whose pet is Gleek. Extra EXTRA points if you can tell me what each of those super-monkeys' powers were.
Backtracking for a moment to "Anansi":
What other characters have been shown to have siblings? As far as I can tell, Alya is the only one!
Now, that is really unusual for a show whose main cast consists primarily of school-age kids. NONE of them but Alya have any brothers or sisters? What planet does this version of Paris exist on??
BUT you know what? That is pretty much par for the course IF you happen to be a superhero. Think about it. How many superheroes can you name that have any brothers or sisters? Offhand, I can think of maybe... two. (Actually more, but it's a special circumstance, which I'll get to in just a bit.)
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) has a brother.
Billy Batson (Shazam/Captain Marvel) has a sister, Mary.
All your other major big-time superheroes, the really iconic ones? All only children:
Now, the "special circumstance" that I mentioned just before. IF they do have a sibling, it's a half-sibling, and the half-sibling is EVIL. Examples: Aquaman's half-brother Orm (Ocean Master), Thor's half-brother Loki. There are probably others, but that's the cliche'.
So I guess Adrien and Marinette, as the main characters of MIRACULOUS, are just following in a well-established superhero tradition. BUT they should consider themselves lucky anyway because... they may be "onlies", but at least they're not ORPHANS (the OTHER great superhero cliche').
SO with the above in mind, question time:
Q: What is the essential difference between an outstanding episode and an ordinary, run of the mill one?
A: A really GOOD episode makes you think about something, raises questions, inspires theories, creates discussion.
"Hey, I never thought about that!"
"Hey, what if they..."
"Do you think that means..." and so on.
I don't know if I'm just revved up because I might have had too much coffee today, but suddenly I've been doing a lot of thinking, and have a lot to say. I don't think it's just the coffee, though... because...
I guess the first thing I should announce is that it's now officially and truly official. I am HOOKED again!
THING #2 that I just realized. I talked a little bit back (if you don't remember) about this idea (or realization) that I'm noticing with a lot of shows I watch (and I don't really watch that many, so maybe that's why it took me so long to figure this out) where things will just sort of go along, willy-nilly, with episodes not seeming too connected or important in the greater scheme of things as a particular season starts, and while the episodes may be entertaining, there's really not a lot to say, much to have an opinion about. "Yeah, I kind of liked that one." or "Meh, didn't do so much for me; not one of the better ones AFAIC." BUT -- then you manage to make it two-thirds or three-quarters of the way through the season and all of a sudden you're seeing episodes that seem better, more important, have more substance to them, or so it seems. Episodes that really seem the MATTER in the larger scheme of the show, ongoing plot threads, or character development. Something to think about; something to talk about. And I finally figured out that's entirely by design, and what the reason is for it being designed that way. If there's a break between seasons where there won't be having any new episodes to watch for months, the show HAS to leave you with something memorable, something to ponder about, something to pique your curiosity and whet your appetite during the long wait for the beginning of the next season, They have to create ANTICIPATION in the current viewership so they won't just forget about the show during the hiatus -- so you'll be chomping at the bit for those NEW episodes when they finally arrive. So they FOR SURE better get on the stick and have some really meaty episodes right before the season ends.
This is why ships like adrigami or lukanette are doomed, the characters already have a endgame ship available so the secondary love rival shipping never actually sails.
It's amazing how many people that won't be obvious to, though. It's padding, a way to keep the wheels spinning and play out the drama until the endgame. But you can't just cut straight to the endgame, because that's bad for the series from a dramatic viewpoint.
It's like asking, if you put 6 random strangers together in a house somewhere, would they really all be fighting with each other within weeks? Of course not. But if they didn't fight, then reality shows wouldn't get ratings, because 6 people just getting along with each other cooperatively isn't good television drama. And it's amazing how many people haven't figured THAT one out, too.
But let's consider this. Marinette and Adrien did not acquire their miraculouses in some random fashion. Those specific people were CHOSEN for their roles as avatars of Creation and Destruction specifically by Master Fu (and possibly even with some input from Tiki and Plagg). And it may well be that it's a good and neccessary condition that the two holders of those particular miraculouses be emotionally connected in a very positive way. If there is any chance that the two holding THOSE miraculouses DON'T get along or harbor some sort of adversarial or competitive feelings towards each other, BAD things could result. Something worth thinking about.
I'll keep that in mind and make sure I put aside the time to do so. Thanks!
"Sandboy" was the most significant 2nd Season episode so far, without a doubt! (We are in the countdown of the final 5 or 6 episodes of the Season now....) New information on Kwamis and their rules, plus we get to see tons of new Kwamis that we hadn't before this. Now I'm going to have to look them all up on the wiki so I can try to remember their names.
Plus, this episode was just plain CRAZY, the wildest one the show has had thus far!
Question: Why didn't "nightmare Ladybug" have her regular voice actress? Sure, you'd expect her to talk in a weird tone of voice that's creepy... isn't that what they did with "nightmare Adrien"? And Cat Noir did it again -- "The LADY of my dreams" this time, instead of "the girl of my dreams". No pressure there, Ladybug. Just sayin'...
SO... Plagg has a crush on Tiki! Hmmm... what does that tell us about Cat Noir's crush on Ladybug, huh?!? I wanna KNOW!
It kinda makes me think that the holders of the Miraculous for creation and destruction might ALWAYS have this relationship...
ARRGH! just posted a long comment on "Sandboy" and it just disappeared when I hit the reply button! I HAVE to start remembering to highlight and copy my text before hitting the reply button. This isn't the first time it's happened.
"Anansi" was a good episode, and a welcome addition to Alya's family dynamics. Nicely-designed as a supervillain, too. I hope to see more of Nora. It was also the first time that AlyaNino seemed like a real ship -- before this, the relationship seemed pretty casual. Master Fu now seems to just hand out Miraculouses on demand without hesitation or debate. "Carapace" is a pretty dumb name (it makes me think of an insect's exoskeleton, not a turtle's shell). "Tortushell" or maybe even better, just plain "Tortus" (short and to the point) would have been a lot better name. But hey, the list of heroes is starting to grow now, eh? What kid is going to know what the heck "Carapace" means? At least Anansi explains in the episode itself what her nickname means.
Well, when they're standing three or four feet apart not really paying much attention to each other, and within seconds kind of leap over to clutch each other just because some meany started shouting, yeah.
Then cut back to Reverser as he demands to know where Nathaniel and Marinette are "...RIGHT NOW!", then back to the teacher's shocked expression, mere moments later. Now Juleka and Rose have closed the gap between them and are clutching hands to support each other. Note that Reverser hasn't actually done anything to any of them or attempted to, he merely showed up and raised his voice angrily. And Rose and Juleka didn't immediately run to the teacher for support.
I guess it at least proves that they're both a couple of scaredy-cats who have a panic attack the moment someone starts talking without using their "inside voice". As a matter of fact if fear is their only motivation it doesn't seem realistic because their reaction is too extreme for two people who are "just friends". And again, why don't they seek protection from the older more experienced teacher who is bigger than them both?
Okay, I'm just going to throw this idea out there, and I'm doing it on this thread because I don't want too many spoilers. Of course at this point I've already seen the episodes that introduced Kagami and Luka, but I'm already aware that in subsequent episodes those characters are going to become sort of a romantic attraction (or DIStraction) for Adrien and Marinette, respectively. And of course, it's sort of a delaying tactic to keep the wheels of drama spinning; our two heroes can't get together romantically so easily.
But it occurred to me that it would actually be a lot more interesting and believeable if their alter egos were each their own romantic rivals. In other words, since it's already been shown that Ladybug is growing closer to Cat Noir and Adrien is growing closer to Marinette, what if their conflicting romantic feelings were a direct result of their NOT knowing each other's secret?
I bring this up because "Reverser" has, I think a little clue about how their real identities are protected by the very magical transformation that gives them their costumes. The costumes aren't like real clothes and they can't be removed (except in the very special circumstance in "Reverser"), except when their Miraculous normally times out and transforms them back to Adrien and Marinette. Their transformed identities literally become their TRUE selves.
That, to me, indicates that their secret identities are being protected by the magic of the Miraculous -- when they are in their superhero identities, they are being protected from being recognized (BY MAGIC) from anyone else, including other Miraculous users. It's the very same magic that is in effect that prevents their costumes from being removed like any normal clothing. There are other ways that their identities could be discovered, but not just by looking at their physical appearances (or listening to their voices) in their transformed state and comparing them to their normal selves. In the case of Alya/Rena Rouge it's different, because Marinette/Ladybug knows what's going to happen beforehand to her when she gives Alya the Miraculous. She just couldn't discover her regular identity for the first time after Alya had been transformed into Rena Rouge. And presumably, if they're actually SEEN transforming, then the secret is out.
So if Adrien is attracted to Marinette AND Ladybug, and Marinette is attracted to Adrien AND Cat Noir, it doesn't mean they'd automatically put 2+2 together and realize that the attraction was a result of them being, in fact, the very same person. They also act a little differently, and speak a little differently, in their hero personas and that helps reinforce the magic preventing their being recognized. And the conflict would come from their being confused about "Wait... I can't be in love with two different people! Which of them is my TRUE love?" (Yeah, I know it's never been a deal-breaker for Archie, but this show is different.) And THAT would make for some interesting scenes in the episodes.
Well Rose usually seems a little shy, but I don't think that means she's not affectionate. She's typically somewhat reserved, and maybe not the smartest person in the room, but she does seem to project this aura of sweetness. Just a really nice person who would never have a bad thought about anyone.(Of course Chloe would test a saint on that.) Or am I just reading things in there because she's really cute?
Anyway, I was just noticing that there's a scene in "Reverser" that seems to support the idea that there's some special bond between Rose and Juleka. After Reverser has battled Ladybug and Cat Noir and they fell into the river, he goes to the creative classroom (can't recall the teacher's name right now) searching for Marinette and Nathaniel to punish them using his powers. When the door opens and he's standing in it, they cut to a shot of the teacher, with Juleka holding her guitar and Rose standing a few feet to her right and behind her a little, holding her notebook (she's been writing songs... for someone) in the background. Then cut back to Reverser as he demands to know where Nathaniel and Marinette are "...RIGHT NOW!", then back to the teacher's shocked expression, mere moments later. Now Juleka and Rose have closed the gap between them and are clutching hands to support each other. Note that Reverser hasn't actually done anything to any of them or attempted to, he merely showed up and raised his voice angrily. And Rose and Juleka didn't immediately run to the teacher for support.
I must admit somewhat embarrassingly that sometimes I find Marinette/Ladybug just so adorable that I can barely contain myself. And of course, I know that's entirely by design of the show's creators, but still.
Well by "spoiler" I meant the reference to Queen Bee, you already knew so no big deal. I actually watched the series knowing nothing about Chloe getting a Miraculous.
LOL yeah... Chloe has become quite the topic of conversation recently.
Some things you just know ahead of time because the world just won't stop talking about them (not talking about here). You know, you don't need to actually watch those clips on YouTube, you can just see the titles pop up over in your list on the right hand side. So yeah, knew about Alya and Chloe already (a couple of years ago, even), and am aware that others are in the offing too, but trying to stay ignorant until I actually see the episode. But it's hard to avoid YouTube altogether, even if I'm trying to refrain from watching Miraculous-related vids until I catch up. Miraculous isn't the only thing I'm looking at YouTube for.
I know I'm ridiculously slow on catching up on TV shows, but it's just because I'm more of a reader than anything else, and always have a pile of stuff to read (mostly comics and manga, but some other books as well). And I've got a whole pile of those Action Lab Miraculous comic books and trade paperbacks that I had to avoid looking at at all until I could find the actual episodes somewhere, because... you don't want to experience the story that way the first time. Good for reviewing later -- you might notice little things you missed when watching.
So... I just squeeze in a episode now and then, usually when I'm eating in front of the computer. Sometimes with a show, the switch gets flipped and then I'll start watching them a few hours at time, and when that happens I'll get behind on reading again (with new stuff coming in every week). It's hard to find a middle ground where I just watch one or two eps a day, but keep at it like regular habit. Weird, I know... that's the way regular television was meant to be watched before the internet.
I'm starting to get a little more back in the groove of Miraculous, but then you get stuff like Reverser, where it almost seems like the comedy is all at Ladybug and Cat Noir's expense, and I wonder again. It does seem at times like the veil that separates Adrien/Cat Noir and Marinette/Ladybug is growing fuzzier and more tenous, and each is getting to like the other better in his or her other identity. Like she's more willing to put up good-naturedly with him calling her by his pet name "Bugaboo" even though it really annoyed her at first, and there's a real feeling of mutual trust and respect between them when they "Pound It!" So there's that, anyway. And then Cat Noir will go and say something like "I know who you really are anyway -- you're the girl of my dreams." (Well done, Mr. Astruc)
Sometimes I'm not sure what I can trust. I'm watching 2nd Season episodes and they're already dropping references to "high school" here or there in an episode. That's just the English dubbing though, so it doesn't feel like I can trust that. 14 sounds about right to me based on what I can recall of earlier episodes.
I began watching the Reverser episode without realizing it until I was halfway through it, but I didn't notice the spoiler in there if there was one. As far as I could tell the only reference there was to the 1st Season episode Evillustrator. Maybe I'll watch that one again after I see Style Queen/Wasp Queen and it'll become clear. I'm sure I must be getting close to the one where Chloe gets a miraculous, but she doesn't seem any more worthy of having one than she ever did -- unless somehow her re-reversal wasn't complete at the end of "Reverser".