Talk:Season 3/@comment-37210617-20190402093901/@comment-35015468-20190402185506

Even if Hawk Moth does akumatize the ring

1. Hawk Moth could just revoke the powers.

2. A senario where Ladybug somehow removes the ring and exits the miraculous then uses cataclysm on it to release the akuma. (If possible)

With senario 2, it is quite possible, as seen in Lady Wifi when Adrien's ring fell off Plagg was forced out of it. Then of course there wouldn't have to be a reveal because Ladybug could go elsewhere before having Plagg destroy the Miraculous then fix the Miraculous w/ her Miraculous Ladybug then have Plagg take the miraculous back to Cat Noir (ie Adrien). But there are some contradictions to this

1. We don't know if Kwamis will be forced out of the miraculous if it is taken off while the miraculous being the akumatized object. Because it may be that the akuma forces the kwami to stay inside, even if removed. We also don't know if he will be transformed when akumatized or if the akuma will cause a forced transformation.

2. We don't know if Plagg would be able to destroy the Miraculous. In Darkblade, Hawk Moth wasn't transformed into a knight by Darkblade's powers. But in Catalyst, the villian's powers did work on Hawk Moth. So it may be that the wielder has to allow it or it's just by 50/50 chance.