Talk:Hawk Moth/@comment-27740736-20160320211007

I used to think that Papillon was Gabriel Agreste, but the further on in the series I got the more I realized it doesn't match up. Their facial features - specifically, their lips, eyes, and jaws - are actually very different. But the proportions are similar, so we're tricked into not looking closer. The same English voice actor isn't really any proof, since recycling voice actors is cheaper than hiring a new one for every single role - not to mention we don't know if the French voice actors are the same (on both Antoine Tome's wikipedia and IMDB page it only states his role as Papillon, so it could be that Gabriel has a different voice actor in the French version). His lair also can't be a hidden room in the house, since the view from the window shoes the Eiffel tower way far in the distance, while the Agreste house is right next to the tower. Not to mention that Gabriel Agreste is a very important fashion designer - he doesn't even have time to personally show up for a contest he himself hosted. His brand is literally everywhere, it's not just a cover. He simply doesn't have the time to watch some teens in magic spandex/leather jump around Paris.

All the similarities (the stuff in Jackady, the ring, the silhouette) could be the writers trolling us, giving us a Red Herring. If they really wanted Papillon's identity to be clear to the viewers, then the clearest shot of his civilian face we've seen wouldn't be  in one single episode at the end of the season, completely  obscured by the contrasting backlighting. So if they're trying to hide Papillon's true identity, why reuse his PV appearance for his civilian form? It's just obvious enough (too obvious, at times - so obvious that I began to doubt it) that we'd all latch on to it, and yet so many things don't match up.