Talk:Marinette Dupain-Cheng/@comment-36974599-20180921132432/@comment-33516169-20180923103907

Sadheim has a point. Adrien is described to be perfect by the creator himself so that makes him a Gary Stu and he never learns from his mistakes at all and he emotionally manipulates Ladybug at times such as "Copycat", "Glaciator", and "Syren".

Madinette learns from her mistakes and actually does apologise to them. She has a lot of character development in the series.